The Uncommon Path
"The Uncommon Path" is a podcast that intimately explores the transformative journeys of individuals, featuring raw and unfiltered testimonies that celebrate the resilience, growth, and shared human experiences, offering listeners a source of inspiration and connection on their own life paths. Join us as we unveil the extraordinary stories that shape who we are.
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Jane Medlin - From Family Tragedy to Spiritual Awakening: Embracing Faith, Forgiveness, and Transformation
Imagine growing up in a home where faith is a backbone, only to have it shattered by an unimaginable family tragedy. That's the reality Jane faced, and this episode of the Uncommon Path podcast shares her gripping journey of resilience and spiritual awakening. From the chaos of a childhood marked by loss and displacement to finding solace in faith through unexpected encounters, her story is a beacon of hope and strength. Our guest shares how meeting Yolanda, who transitioned from witchcraft to Christianity, opened her eyes to new dimensions of faith and healing, demonstrating the incredible power of transformation.
Forgiveness can seem like a lofty ideal until it becomes a necessity for survival and growth. This episode takes you through the challenging yet rewarding journey of reconciling with family and the profound spiritual awakening that forgiveness can spark. Encouraged by the wise mentorship of figures like Yolanda and Miss Betty, our guest navigates the painful process of forgiving her father, revealing the healing that followed. Through these candid conversations, we uncover how addressing foundational relationships can lead to healthier connections, emphasizing faith's generational impact on familial bonds and spiritual growth.
The conversation doesn't stop there. We also tackle the complex relationship between faith and lifestyle choices, such as the use of substances like alcohol and marijuana. Through engaging discussions with guests like Gary and personal reflections, we explore diverse Christian perspectives on these 'gray areas' while highlighting the role of worship and prayer in spiritual journeys. This episode is a celebration of faith's transformative power, filled with personal anecdotes, heartfelt expressions of worship, and the joy of community. Listen in for an inspiring exploration of how faith shapes and enriches our lives, offering hope and direction for the future.
Hey everyone, this is Chris. I'm Ryan From the Uncommon Path podcast. The scripture, Revelation 12 11 says and they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony.
Speaker 2:Our hope is that as you listen, you will be encouraged in the Lord. This podcast was created as an avenue to share people's raw and unfiltered journeys with him. We hope this brings breakthrough and intimacy with Jesus through their testimony of what God is doing through their lives.
Speaker 1:This is a very interesting moment for me I might have to stop you at times to like, because you're gonna probably know your mom better than any other guest you've ever had I was.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say so if you have something that's like there's no context yeah, I was to say I might have you ask some of the questions, but there are some things that will both guide you along the way.
Speaker 3:Okay, now if you ask a question and I go like this, that's the deer in the headlight. It's like I may have to think on that. That's fair.
Speaker 2:That's fair. I'm very happy you're on, Mom. Thanks for coming.
Speaker 3:Well, thanks for asking me. You know I really didn't want to do this, but the Lord really dealt with me on this.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 3:Yes, he did About how important your testimony is, so I want this to be all about him and what he has done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that. I think that's really sweet.
Speaker 1:That's what this is all about. It's just trying to give a broader, bigger platform to people's testimonies. The long form of their origin story with Jesus and how it's going.
Speaker 3:So true, what he does amazing.
Speaker 2:Now there's. You've heard the podcast before, you've heard thomas's and a couple of other episodes, I think. But just to go over it again, reiterate it, we're just going after kind of the past, what the lord has done in your past, what he's kind of done throughout your life to get you to where you are now, and what he has kind of on the horizon. We roughly have like an hour, hour and a half, um, but we'll speed me.
Speaker 3:You can go.
Speaker 4:Oh, we're not we're.
Speaker 2:We would rather you camp out on something that you feel like the Holy Spirit wants you to camp out on, okay. So if you need to, just don't feel like you're in a rush, so Okay. Hello Mom, hey, Mr Rhino who's going to cry first, you or me?
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe Chris, maybe Chris will cry first.
Speaker 1:You never know. We're all criers. Here we are.
Speaker 2:I am very honored to have you.
Speaker 3:Honored to be here, all right.
Speaker 2:Tell us where you're from, where you grew up.
Speaker 3:I grew up in a pastor's house. My dad was a Methodist minister. I had a great childhood, real loving. I'm blessed to have been brought up in a home that didn't drink or smoke or cuss or any of that. It was a real sweet time growing up. We moved every two and three years because that's what the Methodist church does. Up we moved every two and three years because that's what the Methodist church does. When we were in Alvarado I was a sophomore in high school and we got a message to go down to the office and it was at the office there, my sister and I.
Speaker 3:How old were you? 16. And then Megan is 16 months older than I am. That's your sister, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:We were told that our mother had been killed. So as the day went on, in the next day we found out that my dad had killed her and that he had taken out a large sum of insurance money and so that was the reason why he killed her. So Dad went on to trial and he was pronounced insane and he went to Rusk State Hospital and was there for seven years and then he came out. During those seven years my sister and I went to one home. We stayed there a little while. We went to another home, the district superintendent of the Methodist churches in Cleburne, and then we went to the orphanage that was there in waco and then from there I went back to the people in cleburne and she went on to live with my grandparents in burleson sorry, so this is all texas, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, this is all texas so after that, um, it was in Cleburne that I met Steve, and my senior year in high school I became pregnant and back then that was a big, big no-no, so I couldn't go to school anymore. So I couldn't go to school anymore. So Steve and I got married and we moved to Waco, texas. He went to Baylor and so we stayed there for five years, four years. Then, after four years, he went on to Houston to go to law school and I stayed in Waco and we divorced and at that time I had two little ones Brian and Phillip.
Speaker 2:Two boys yeah.
Speaker 3:Two boys. So it was in Waco that I went to dental assisting school and I became a dental assistant. So it was in the dental assistant office, being a dental assistant there with Dr Armstrong, that I met Yolanda, and so I love this story. So Yolanda and I had she had to come in every day for a week and so we developed this friendship. So Yolanda said she asked me one time. She said, jane, do you believe in God? And I thought, yeah, I believed in God, but he wasn't very useful at that point in my life.
Speaker 3:And so she said well, you know, jane, I've practiced under a very powerful witch in Florida I think it was Florida and I have seen things walk on this earth that do not belong and I've seen spells done that you would never believe. And because I've seen that power of that realm, spirit realm, when someone came to me and introduced me to Jesus, she said I could just, I knew to Jesus.
Speaker 3:She said I knew I can realize that that is a spirit realm that I want to go into. So she didn't know at the time that I was curious, not into but curious of that realm, of the satanic realm.
Speaker 2:Like witchcraft and stuff. I like witchcraft and stuff.
Speaker 3:I'd met a warlock at Baylor. He was like witchcraft and stuff. I'd met a warlock at baylor. He was going to law school. I'd met a witch and they were really kind of interesting people you know to listen to and talk to. So that I was curious. So when she said that it was like oh my word, so yolanda invited, she said do you want to come over and and and eat.
Speaker 2:And I thought, well, real quick, okay, did what was. Did you like up to that point? Did you believe there was a god? Oh yeah, so you knew was a God, but he just wasn't nice. With what?
Speaker 3:happened with your mom and stuff. Well, you know, when that happened with dad, with mom, I thought what kind of a God would allow this to happen.
Speaker 3:I mean, this is a preacher you know, so I was not real favorable to that god really had anything, you know, important to do, or you know what I'm saying yeah, but no one had really. You know, you realize, once you grow up and you move out of the house I mean, we, we went to church every Sunday, every Sunday night, every Wednesday there's a difference between a religious home and a Christian home, and I realized I had never been in a Christian home.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, okay, Could you even tell that with your dad?
Speaker 3:No, you know, when you're growing up and you're in a dysfunctional family, do you know they're dysfunctional? Yeah sure no, until you get out, and then you go. Whoa, that's fair.
Speaker 1:That's very true too, yeah.
Speaker 3:So that you have to, kind of as you get get older, you began to put the pieces together and that was one of the pieces. Wow, so anyway sorry, go back. Yeah, sorry, okay now okay, now, where was I?
Speaker 2:you were you were at uh yolanda was inviting you to Thank you.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Chris.
Speaker 3:So, yes, keep up with this, okay. So we started going over there but I said, yolanda, I've got two little boys. Back then people really didn't want to have her. But kids, some people go, oh, kids. Anyway, yolanda and Sherry that was her roommate. So Yolanda and Sherry invited us over and invited us over and over and over.
Speaker 3:Wow, it is amazing what God does through people when they are bold in their faith, and this is what Yolanda was. So we would sit at her table and I would want to debate, because she wanted to talk about the Lord, talk about these things, and so I would debate or want to argue or want about this one, and she never debated with me, she would just. She got her Bible out and she would turn the pages and she would read only what God said about it, which was really good. So anyway, so they just kind of nurtured, the boys and I, and then they had a home group. So I started going to the home group and they were like, oh, six, seven of them and I would see things in the home group, like you know, they would pray.
Speaker 3:I'd not been around people that prayed before. So they would pray. And then the next week they came back and God had answered their prayers. And this went on week after week, month after month, and finally I told Yolanda. I said, Yolanda, I want that, I want that relationship with the Lord, I want that. So I prayed, we prayed together and you know, I asked Jesus to come into my heart. But I really know that Jesus came after me. You know to do that.
Speaker 2:Was Philip and Brian also going to the life group with you? Oh yeah, or with you.
Speaker 3:In fact I went to such a neat because the church we went to was Highland. There was such a phenomenal Sunday school class that I went to that when the kids were going to their Sunday school class I said, oh no, no, y'all need to come to my Sunday school class. So I brought the boys over to my Sunday school class and they were all adults. But there was a Baylor professor there who talked about the Holy Spirit. He said I went out in my backyard one time I had fleas. So he said I stood there and I rebuked the fleas in the name of Jesus. And he said I went out the next day, not one flea. So when you hear these kind of things the boys were like whoa. So anyway, they grew up with hearing about the Holy Spirit and rebuking and whatever the power. I just think the power of the Lord, of how he worked. I just see the power of the Lord of how he worked.
Speaker 3:I had phenomenal teachers there at this church that were very real about the Lord, so, oh, okay, now I want to talk about the firemen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, we lived on Spade and 10th and on Spade in Waco there was a fire station.
Speaker 2:It's like right by Baylor.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh it's two blocks from Baylor and I had a house, two doors behind it. So the boys and I, you know they were little, they were on tricycles and so we would walk back and forth and so I'd been a christian for about a month. And the fireman when the fireman I never really noticed he came up to me and he said it was in front of a fire station.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I was walking the boys he said excuse me, but your countenance has really changed. Are you a Christian now what? And I nearly fell off the sidewalk. I thought, whoa, where did this come from? And I thought, well, maybe he went to my church. So I said do you go to this church? And he said no, my wife and I go to this other church. And he said I don't even know your name. But he said over a year ago the Lord laid on my heart to be praying for you and the boys. And so he said when I am, I think it's four days off. Four days off. I'm not really sure how the firemen work, but he said when I've been here. He said in the evenings I would come out and walk this yard just praying for you. And I was like, and he said I've done this for over a year.
Speaker 3:And he said I've done this for over a year. I was absolutely floored. Now, now that I'm older and I look back, I'm thinking, god, what a neat thing you did for him. Can you imagine praying for a stranger? He didn't even know my name For over a year, because the Lord laid it on your heart and then that person changes. I mean, now I can think about the fireman. I thought talk about an encouragement from the Lord, you know. So that was one of the things and that has to do a lot with how I pray now, about praying for strangers, praying for people being sensitive to that.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I've told you this or not, but when I started really following the Lord, I started asking the Lord. I always thought it was kind of unfair for some people to have like really supernatural experiences with them and some to not have any experience with them. And I remember asking the Lord how come I have this supernatural experience with you? And this was like right after I started following the Lord and I felt like I immediately heard the voice of the Lord say the prayers of your mother got you here, and so I remember starting to cry because I was like, oh, like all the prayers that you prayed over me, just like kind of caught up in that moment. That was really really cool, you know.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you something now. It's about Tommy, and you know the guy at the church.
Speaker 2:In Eagle Nest.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in Angel Fire.
Speaker 2:Fast forwarding like 30 years.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, it was his, what do you call him? He works with your youth pastor. Yeah, okay, I remember I walked in to his office one time and I said tony, I want you to deal with ryan. And he said you know, jane, I don't. I think that was when he took you out to eat and he made you cry.
Speaker 2:I can't remember.
Speaker 3:And I said no, tony, you cannot get too hard on Ryan. I said I want you to be hard, I want you to be direct, I want you to nail him, I want you to bring him to his knees. Don't you dare back down.
Speaker 2:That was intense.
Speaker 3:And he did, because he said oh man, jen, I made him cry. I said, praise God, you made him cry. Oh man, so it wasn't just me, there was other people in your life, okay, oh man, so it wasn't just me, there was other people in your life. Okay, I'm going to talk about forgiveness.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Because this is really big too, it's the log.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is this the next? Yeah, this is the log story.
Speaker 3:My first year as a Christian. I kept asking the Lord why? Why? About? My mom and dad was in the mental institution and I had nobody? And wah, wah, wah. So the Lord gave you know.
Speaker 3:Parables were written in the Bible for me. Paint me a picture, tell me a story and I can understand it better. Paint me a picture, tell me a story and I can understand it better. So the Lord gave me this picture of this log and he said, jane, if you stay on this side of the log, you will never get to know me in the fullness that I have for you. But if you step over this log, I'll walk with you and you'll get to know me. Walk with me. So in my mind I thought, oh, you bet I would love to get this log over with. So I did in my mind. I stepped over it and I said I just want to walk with you, I don't want anything else. I've never looked back, I've never thought about the log. I mean, you know I'm talking about it. Was that a constant bombarding question for you? I think it was something that would just come up.
Speaker 3:You know would keep coming up, so that was that. Was that and forgiveness, I have to touch on this. Can I stop you?
Speaker 1:Jane for a second. How did you get around the question why? Because I feel like that is a massive hang up for so many people, christians and people who could become Christians. They're like why, well, why is this? I mean, that's all age old. Like, why do bad things happen to good people? Or you know things like that. Like, how did you get around that question why?
Speaker 3:you get around that question why? You know, I think, when the lord gave me that visual thing and I could step over it, because it's a choice. It's a choice if you want to some people call it, you take it to the cross and leave it, and so that was my thing of taking it and leaving it and leaving it behind. It's like you have something behind you your whole life if you don't let God deal with forgiveness, or it's just faith, it's like a trust kind of a thing. Sometimes you just have to say, okay, I'm going to go on.
Speaker 1:You know, I don't know, right right, you don't have to understand it, but everyone is different.
Speaker 3:I can't even imagine people that have been sexually abused. How do they deal with that? Or whatever it is. How do you leave that behind? But then we go into forgiveness, and to me, forgiveness is the foundation of your whole walk with the Lord.
Speaker 2:The Lord began to deal with me, with my father, he got out of. Rusk, can I ask a question, real yes, was it ever knowing your dad? Do you think he was mentally unstable when this happened? Or do you think he knew what he was doing and played ignorance to try to get caught as as mentally unstable, like what? And again this goes into the why. So I mean, who knows right? But I've always wondered, like, did Papaw Cook? Was that something he cognitively was aware of doing?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I think he knew what he was doing. I think it was planned, it was premeditated okay, you know I mean the sum of money he had taken out on our beforehand.
Speaker 2:No, it was planned in that okay, so he knew okay, knew about that so yeah, so when he got released, okay, knew about that.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, so when he got released okay, so when he got released and I was like a year into being a christian, the lord began to deal with me about forgiveness and I, you know, I could say, okay, I forgive him. But then the lord started dealing with me about going to him and asking his forgiveness. And I thought, whoa, whoa, I didn't understand this part of forgiveness. So I went, and I went to go see Yolanda. I said Yolanda. So I went, and I went to go see Yolanda. I said Yolanda, why is the Lord dealing with me to go to my daddy and ask for forgiveness? Shouldn't he be coming to me?
Speaker 3:And Yolanda was so wise. She said, jane, forgiveness is a release from both ends. When you go for forgiveness, you're releasing yourself, but you're also releasing the other person for the Lord to deal with and for him to be free and let the Lord have him. And I thought, yeah, but why do I ask? I mean, I don't even know. And she said well, if the Lord's calling you to do this, he'll give you the words. But she said now, jane, a lot of times God will call you to do something, but you wait on His timing. Timing is really important too. So you pray for the Lord to have that moment where y'all were alone or wherever the Lord will give you his words. So I said, okay, all right, I can do this. So I started praying for a time. Oh, another thing she said, which was a mom. She said when you go and ask forgiveness, you don't look to that person for a response because you're going, as obedience is unto the Lord, so don't look for anything from that person. This is strictly between you and the Lord and you go with that in mind.
Speaker 3:So that the moment came, I confronted my dad. I told him I loved him. Would you forgive me for being the daughter I had been? I mean, I loved him. Would you forgive me for being the daughter I had been? I mean, I didn't know what to say. Of course, you know I'm glad she told me to look at his response, because I didn't get the response I wanted. But he was real nice and sweet. But I thought after that I really had the Lord really released me and I had a real love for my dad and my dad and I stayed close. We would talk to each other. He remarried and married a wonderful lady, miss Betty. I loved her lady, miss Betty, I loved her. So that part was taken care of by the Lord and it was only by forgiveness.
Speaker 2:That's so sweet.
Speaker 1:Was it hard to like. Where were you at emotionally with forgiving your dad? I mean, I could only imagine that had to be an earth shattering thing to just have the one who's in the biggest protector role in your life.
Speaker 3:Does harm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, does harm to you, know, to your whole family, and was that?
Speaker 3:difficult. Yes, I remember sitting on the floor and we were on the front page of the Dallas Morning News. We were cutting out articles about the death of my mother and this preacher killed her and I still have those articles. But yeah, I mean it was kind of strange to be in that my heart goes out to the people that are in that situation where they have lost somebody or you know it does, especially with kids, you know.
Speaker 2:Do you think your sister was able to go there with forgiving your dad?
Speaker 3:I think Megan has her own story.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know of where she is and you know I really liked I had this great Bible teacher. She lived in Red River, her name was Miss Betty and she had her doctorate in psychology. Her name was Miss Betty and she had her doctorate in psychology. So I remember one time I said, miss Betty, when you are counseling people, where do you start? And she said well, jane, I start first of all. I ask them what do you want to tell me about you? She said I start with that question. And then she said I'll start with that question. And then she said I always start with your foundation, and your foundation are your parents, your mother and your father. She said if there has not been a reckoning, a forgiving with your parents, that affects your relationships with everybody else.
Speaker 3:And so she said I deal directly parent to child, we get things completed, healed and then we can go on to other relationships. And I thought you know that is so true and I feel very blessed that the Lord healed that foundation with me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's why I have great relationships. Everybody loves me, that's true. Edit.
Speaker 2:That's true Everybody does love you.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, that's's good, that's a blessing. Well, that's true of ryan too. To be completely serious, like that's, that's obviously a lineage thing, that that you've passed down, you know you know what?
Speaker 3:I'm glad you said lineage, because I look back on yolanda and you look at what yolanda did with her bold in her faith, speaking truth and inviting us over to eat because we were poor then free meal so single mom single
Speaker 3:mom, and it was rough, but you think, one person being bold and talking about jesus affected me, affect my boys ryan, my boys Ryan. She introduced me to. Henry, my husband, and this is where Ryan came from. You know, I mean, it is like one person. I have another son who's a pastor, I have another son. They know the Lord. And that's what I love about that is that they know the lord.
Speaker 2:And that's what I love about that is that they know the lord what kind of, what kind of advice or wisdom would you share with someone who is struggling with forgiving someone?
Speaker 3:well, you know it affects you and we have a pastor and he basically says if you refuse to forgive, then you really aren't a Christian, even if you call yourself a Christian, because his thing is that's the first thing Jesus did for us is that he forgave us. So that is like a foundation for him. You know, forgiveness is extremely important in your walk with the Lord, I think for freedom, and I think the Lord just talks to you. You can hear him more being open healed You're healed.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, I feel like it brings healing. I remember there was well. I'll share this more in my, I guess when I do my story at some point.
Speaker 3:Oh, let's do it. Let's do it now.
Speaker 2:It would be an interesting story. Share it in front of my mom. I remember there was a after I moved out there was a girl that I was messing around with Never had sex, but we did a lot of other stuff and when I started following the Lord and started saying no to that lifestyle, I remember the Lord saying I had put a weight in my heart for the women that I had wronged. And I ran into this girl randomly at Baylor. This was after I started following the Lord and I felt like the Lord was like apologize, ask for forgiveness? And I was like no way, dude, that's so weird.
Speaker 2:Like we only had a physical relationship, didn't last long. She probably doesn't even remember me that much. I'm just going to walk up to her and ask. But I like I kept feeling it on my heart and I felt like the lord was like are you gonna do it or not? And I was like yeah, I have to. So I just I walked up to her, said hey, how's it going? She's like oh, hey. And I was like I just want you to know jesus changed my life and I just want to apologize for what we did, what I did. And she, of course, was like okay, like it was a very, very awkward thing, but when I left I felt like the Lord gave me a pat on the back and was like this type of action will change your life and allow you to live in freedom, regardless of whether the other party chooses to live in freedom. This will give you the freedom to live out.
Speaker 3:You know, I'm glad you brought that up because that reminds me of a time when I was being mentored by somebody and had a great relationship.
Speaker 3:But then they made a pass at me and I thought, oh man, so it was so disappointing. I walked away from the church and I was gone for about a year because I was just so wounded that this person would think that. So after about a year, this person called up and said you know, jane, I'm just checking on you. I just want to tell you that I'm sorry. I ask your forgiveness for what I did Changed my whole walk. I came back to the Lord.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 3:I started going to church again, started having that fellowship with other believers. So just that one thing, like you were saying, just asking forgiveness or forgiving somebody, how it can change your whole walk, your life at that time.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 3:So that's good, that's good, you brought that up. I so that's good, that's good, you brought that up. I forgot about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's. I've heard so many stories of like, where that type of hurt just completely derails someone's faith.
Speaker 3:Well, I get it from like women girls that are Christians and a deacon came to visit her one time. Like women girls that are Christians and a deacon came to visit her one time and wanted to kiss her and he was married and she was like whoa, she never went to church again. So, when there's things like that that are happening. Yeah, it is sad that the body of Christ needs to be very diligent about, and then confronting people too. I think if she would have gone and confronted, or talked with somebody that would have been.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and bringing it to light. When you confess it and when you talk to someone about it, it becomes less taboo.
Speaker 3:Well, you know two things Prayer, I mean. This is about people praying for people you know, and forgiveness that would be, and how important it is to have people over to your house to do hospitality, to love on them.
Speaker 2:Man, it's so wild how, like there's, what really changed your life from what it sounds like, was women who just opened their home to you yes, and just saw home to you. Yes, and just saw where you were.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then a fireman.
Speaker 3:And then a fireman, a stranger. We like those Christian strangers, you know telling you know I have a friend because where I live to go to Taos it's like a 40-minute drive. You have to go through the canyon.
Speaker 3:And you get behind a slow car and you're there for 40 minutes you can barely pass. But Wendy her name is Wendy. She said you know, Jane, I get to where when I'm in that thing. And there was this slow car and I know I'm going to have to do it over through the canyon I started praying for that person and I went whoa, what a great idea to pray for the people in front of you.
Speaker 3:And then if you're caught in traffic, you know that changes the whole. How can you be in a hurry if you're praying for that person? That's really convicting.
Speaker 1:That is convicting. I used to do that when somebody told me once to do that when you feel like you're mad at somebody because they cut in front of you or cut you off or they did something stupid on the road and you're like normally, would my previous me would maybe throw a finger up or something like that. Right, but um, they were like yeah, just bless them, and it's like I've kind of gotten away from that.
Speaker 3:I need to get back to it well, I'm telling you, the traffic here is a lot different than at home. You have a lot of opportunity to pray.
Speaker 1:A lot of opportunity to pray.
Speaker 3:Man, they cut in front of you and they do the finger and they are in a hurry around here. There is an entitlement, almost.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, it, totally is yeah.
Speaker 3:This is a different place and where we live, but can you?
Speaker 2:can you share? I, I, I like this story, um, and you didn't know I was going to bring it up, but I kind of want to talk about it. For some reason, when you, before you, started following the Lord, you smoked weed right. Yes, you were a hippie, right.
Speaker 3:Don't say that I wouldn't say a hippie, but free-spirited.
Speaker 2:Free-spirited. Okay, okay, so I. When you started following the lord, you said you smoked again one more time one more time. Yeah, so explain that did. Did you smoke a lot before you were I?
Speaker 3:did not smoke a lot before you were a Christian. No, I did not smoke a lot. I did smoke some. It was very different After I became a Christian. I had one last one in the freezer.
Speaker 2:I mean honestly, as a single mom with two kids. How else would you?
Speaker 3:do life, oh, but I never.
Speaker 2:Like there's no judgment. I'd be like holy cow, I need something. No alcohol, give me something.
Speaker 3:So I did, I smoked that last one, but it was a real different. It was dark, it was I, I can't even explain it. The other times it had been a relaxing fun. I want to eat, you know, but this was a whole different thing. So I was telling yolanda about it. She, jane, the Holy Spirit lives inside of you. You are going to be different. You are going to see things, you're going to experience things different than when you were in the world. But that was the last time that I did that.
Speaker 2:Now you know the story time, yeah, and I did that now. Now you know the story. I was, we interviewed. Uh, when was gary mayor?
Speaker 1:like two weeks a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, um, we haven't really well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, his is probably going to be released before yours, but he's like in his 60s or 70s and he before yours, but he's like in his 60s or 70s and he tells it in a story he just smoked a lot of weed and that's kind of all he did. But he said, when he and his wife became Christians, they tried smoking again and did it for a little bit and there was finally this place of conviction where the Lord worked with them on. But I've always found it fascinating because I feel like it's one of those things that I don't know this is kind of a debatable topic, but I feel like it's one of those gray areas for many people, many people and you. It's not meant to be used where you're out of your right mind, but you either meet people who have a very like a big, extreme um experience with it where it's like no, once I became a Christian, like that was it, I couldn't do it anymore, or you get some who are like I'd still do it every once in a while.
Speaker 3:Really, really. Well, you know, the Lord works differently, because some people still drink beer.
Speaker 1:Some people, you know, yeah, I mean what can I?
Speaker 2:say Touché, touché, mom yeah.
Speaker 1:Growing up I always heard the teetotalers and stuff, but I had read enough of my Bible to know Jesus' first miracle was to create more wine at a wedding where all the wine had run out and I was like okay, so I never really understood, like okay, so I never really understood it. As a new christian in the young care, I never understood the that. Oh, that wine is wine and alcohol is evil. If I would the lord create it at a wedding it's really and drink it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is interesting because, like the southern, I don't know I mean, I'm not here, I'm not the theologian.
Speaker 1:I've heard people explain, I've heard a message on it. Like not to get in the weeds on this, but like, oh well he can create he can create opportunities that he doesn't want you to take.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or something like that.
Speaker 1:But I'm just kind of like I don't know, I think it's just, I'm a simple person. I understand.
Speaker 3:It simply is you know, I think the lord deals with every person differently. You know, even the word says he gives us faith differently. Every person, he has a measure of faith that he gives every person. We're different in that we're different in. So I think it's you know, it is different for everyone.
Speaker 2:I know for me, when I was like Well, because I first tried my first beer at 15, I think I snuck out of the house. It was in the condo. I snuck out of the condo to go to a party Sophomore year. You remember the condo?
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:I went out the back deck and I lowered myself to this first floor deck of someone else's condo and then I went to this party and I remember that was the first time I had a beer and the first thing I remember was like huh, this doesn't taste like pee, like my dad said it would.
Speaker 2:This tastes okay. But when I became, when I really started following the Lord, alcohol was so taboo that I didn't drink it. But I was. I was very confused because I was like but I actually liked the taste and so I was like, lord, should I not drink this beer? What if I drink around someone who doesn't struggle with it? Is that bad, should I not? And I finally, after several years of like trying to figure that out, I was like I'm not going to overthink this, I'm just going to drink beer and make sure I don't be stupid on it well, you know what is that when it and the bible talks about?
Speaker 3:there are some things you can do, but there are some things you can't do because that person is weak yeah I have known someone who can drink beer and he had three boys and I.
Speaker 3:I would think he would drink it openly. But one of his boys drank beer and became a raging alcoholic and through Baylor he couldn't hold down a job. He couldn't. We never know what our actions will do to our children, because we don't know if they can handle it. You can handle it, but we don't know if our little ones, when they get older, what they're going to do with it yeah and how I hang with.
Speaker 3:A lot of the people I hang with are more into the natural. They don't do drugs, they don't take things for a headache, they use you know. You always say Mom, I guess it's Philip. Mom, have you talked to your witch doctor today?
Speaker 3:Which is really a chiropractor or a kinesiologist or something like this, but it's more natural and it's more. And I've had a Bible study, a couple of them who said they would not take any drugs because they felt like the Lord has told them you know, come to me, I am your healer. So it depends. Everybody is different in their walk. Healing is a whole different area there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know. So I'm going to tell you a healing story that I think is so precious, a healing story that I think is so precious Antioch and Waco. I think Ruth Brees was their secretary but Ruth was a single mom.
Speaker 2:Was this after Antioch left or? Separated from Highland, or was it during Highland?
Speaker 3:No, I think it's after they had separated. So Ruth was a single mom. She had never been married but she had fostered, and so she fostered this little boy and so she adopted him. So Ruth became sick and she had some type of cancer, I can't think of it. And Antioch were precious with her. I mean they came in a couple of times a week play music, praise and worship with her. Her mother came to live with her Mills were there, I think her little boy. After she died they sent him to school. I mean Antioch just was over the top in ministering through this thing. Well, ruth died but her mother was not a Christian and she saw how the church did this and took care of everybody and so she became a Christian. Her brother was, I think, from Houston. He came up for a couple of weeks and he saw the church ministering to her and he went home, started going to church and he became a Christian.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 3:And when we talk about healing, god is way ahead of us. He not only wants know the healing. I know Ruth. Ruth would have laid her life down for her parent, for her family, to come to know the Lord, and that's what she did anyway. I was thinking when we pray for healing, there's more people around that person sick that is watching and seeing. And God does healing with the outside people too, not just that one person, even if they go to be with the Lord. We don't know all that God did in the healing of the people around them.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 3:So healing is a mystery of how God does and works.
Speaker 2:Wasn't it in Daniel Coucher's episode? Didn't he say that part of his dad's death was how he, how Daniel himself, became to know the Lord?
Speaker 1:I think, so I can't quite remember. I know he it was. That was powerful, though, because his dad was basically not taking medicine, right? So that he could be more, more lucid to have just more conversations with his children to bring about their faith and courage and stuff that was cool.
Speaker 2:Man, I've never even thought about that, mom, where it's like sometimes you get so tunnel visioned or focus on the person who's in the bed or who's sick and you don't think about loving on the person who's in the bed or who's sick and you don't think about loving on the people who are there. Man, that's wild. Yeah, I remember you telling me that story a long time ago when I was young, but I don't know, it hits really different jane, who discipled you?
Speaker 1:yolanda in the fail yolanda did how long did that?
Speaker 3:go on gee for years two, three years, maybe you know we went to church together and she.
Speaker 2:She moved to san antonio after she finished at baylor right.
Speaker 3:I think she got her master's doctorate.
Speaker 2:Did she get her doctorate? Yeah, she did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but she introduced you to Ryan's dad.
Speaker 3:Yes, we went to a Sunday school party.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, tell the story. This is a great story. We went to a.
Speaker 3:Sunday school party. I came in later and I was meeting, meeting people, and this guy kept following me around and I thought who is this guy? So I would get up and move and go talk and then he would follow me to the next room and I thought so anyway. After the party was over, the next room, and I thought so anyway. After the party was over, uh, I went home and Yolanda called later and she said Jane, did you meet Henry? And I said, oh yeah, I met Henry. And she said would you date? I said no, I really didn't like him. She Jane, he's a really nice guy, just go out one date with him. Just go out one date. And I said, well, if he calls me, I'll go. So, anyway, he shows up in a Brooklyn, but you know the doors go like this and I was looking outside and went.
Speaker 3:oh great, you know, I won't say the word. I thought he's driving this.
Speaker 2:Say it. You can say it on here.
Speaker 1:He was driving what your analogy.
Speaker 2:I love your analogy. Say your analogy, it's so funny. Oh, no you want me to say it. No, you got to Say your analogy. It's so funny, oh no.
Speaker 3:You got to say it now. It's so funny. He's driving his penis around what.
Speaker 1:Is this some kind of car that I'm not aware of.
Speaker 2:You know, the car in Back to the Future A DeLorean, A DeLorean yeah, it's like a DeLorean, it was Future A DeLorean A DeLorean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like a DeLorean, it was similar to a DeLorean.
Speaker 2:It had doors. It was a very sharp looking car that had doors that go up like that. No way, yeah, it was like super cool. What's it called? A Brooklyn or a Bricklin, something like?
Speaker 3:that yeah.
Speaker 4:Brooklyn.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I heard all about his car growing up.
Speaker 3:So anyway.
Speaker 2:But I always heard that analogy from my mom when she was like having a guy pick you up on a motorcycle or a really nice car is like them just wearing their penis.
Speaker 3:I'm going to edit we're going to edit this?
Speaker 1:No, leave it all in.
Speaker 3:this is too funny so, anyway, I went out, we went out, we had a date, he was funny, we had a good time and and in six weeks we were married, which I do not recommend that.
Speaker 2:It is so wild that y'all were married within six weeks.
Speaker 3:I know it was, and we got married in the airplane His airplane, right the airplane his airplane right. His airplane is. We got married. His uh pastor and his wife sat in the back and then, as we flew around Waco, he, we, we were married there.
Speaker 2:What did he did ask you to marry him. Wait. He asked you to marry him, wait. He asked you to date him. Was it date him or marry him? Three times? And you said no.
Speaker 3:Well he, he asked me to marry him. I guess the first or second week we were dating I said are you crazy? No.
Speaker 2:And then the next week I said oh, yeah, okay, so funny, crazy, no and then the next week I say, oh, yeah, okay, oh, and we've been married for 40 some odd years. Man marriage is hard. Yeah, amen, amen sister Amen sister. That's so crazy.
Speaker 3:I know. Before I came, henry said you're going to talk nice about me, aren't you? I'm not going to talk about you.
Speaker 2:That's so funny, oh my gosh. All right, so share maybe one more story. And I really really like this story because it shows how your faithfulness and obedience with the Lord was when dad wanted to sell the house and live in a motor home for a while.
Speaker 3:Oh Share that story you know that is a good story. We were living in waco, we were living out on 10 acres, we had a little lake behind us. I mean it was just nice would sit drink her coffee and watch the sprinklers come on. In the morning I just sprayed the grass. I mean it was nice. And so he went to California and he was saying Jane, why don't we—?
Speaker 2:He went to California because of work, right? Well, for his work, that's right yeah.
Speaker 3:So he said, jane, let's sell the house and let's go full-time RVing. And I went yeah, right. So he kept talking about let's sell the house and let's get us an RV. So this went on for months.
Speaker 1:Did you have an RV? Have you been RVing?
Speaker 3:No, we didn't have. I don't think we had the RV then, I think y'all had something.
Speaker 2:Oh, did we have something?
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, maybe the Dutch, then I think y'all had something. Oh, did we have something? Okay?
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe the Dutch Star and.
Speaker 3:I loved our house. It was a two-story house. It was really nice. So, anyway, I went to church one Sunday and we had a pastor was speaking and he was talking about people following the Lord and he said there's even some people that won't even follow their spouse.
Speaker 3:And you could have taken a two-by-four and hit me over the head and I thought it just wounded me. I thought, oh Lord, you are so right. I mean, god spoke so directly to me. So on the way home from church, I called Henry and I said honey, when you get home, we're putting the house on the market. And there was this long silence and he said Are you kidding me? And I said no. I said, if there's any time the Lord has directly spoken to me, it was this morning and you know, I ask your forgiveness for not following you and we're going to do that.
Speaker 3:So how many times have I sat in my window now it's a bay window. I look out over the mountains, I look out over this lake, I watch the snow come in, I watch the elk walk across our yard and I think, oh God, thank you, thank you. Thank you so much, because I would not be in this place if I had not followed him. We went, we sold the house, we spent five years on the road, which was I was time to get off of the road, but it was. It landed us in uh Angel Fire, which I absolutely loved, and now we're in little Eagle Nest and and now he wants to move again, but I want the Lord to tell me again I don't want to leave yet. So anyway, I thought, lord, thank you so much because I would not have had this, to look at this place. I have wonderful friends there, a great pastor and his wife. It is wonderful. So I would have none of that if I were still in Waco, texas.
Speaker 1:Wow. So this is very interesting to me. Would you say it was following your spouse, just like listening to Henry, or was it the Lord convicted you and you recognized it was the Lord speaking to him? It was that second part, so this conviction brought an understanding that this inspiration was actually from God. Yes, that he had.
Speaker 3:It was God speaking. It wasn't just Henry talking about it. It was a God speaking to me in my heart, to listen to what he was trying to get me to do, trying to get me to follow. He had more for me.
Speaker 1:He had, and it was through henry so you got a sense that it was actually god's plan oh yes okay, all right. I was trying to parse out like did god tell you to just obey, henry, or did god tell you this is me and I'm speaking through your husband?
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, I think, probably I think it was God speaking through him, because when he that was very direct in church of what God was telling me about following and not trusting him, not listening to him, now do I follow and trust Henry all the time?
Speaker 1:No, sure, you know, we still kind of go back and forth and you know, oh, of course, yeah, and you're better off for for testing each other's ideas out for sure.
Speaker 3:I wait, I wait for the Lord to hit me with that two by four, to say this is it?
Speaker 1:But it's such a great reminder, though, that that you know the Lord uses your spouse a lot to speak to you, oh for sure. And if your ears aren't open, you can miss stump. You can miss a lot, right, I mean you. You could have missed all this, this amazing experience and all that, but sometimes it's just a little thing like a, a conviction or a improvement you need to make, or or something you know yes, you know, I think you always.
Speaker 3:I thought it was really good when you and Leslie were going to move and how y'all went to that place and fasted for that weekend. You know to hear the Lord and you know, that's good, yeah, but it's harder when you both don't fast or you don't want to pray or something. You know sometimes you just have to kind of go. Okay, you wait for the Lord to kind of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, move on your behalf.
Speaker 3:There's lots of things out there. I know one. There was a couple walking through a field they were going to buy and the wife was not. You know, he wanted to buy it and she was just saying, man, I just don't have a peace about this. So they ended not doing it and something happened and he said oh my word, if we had bought that that land, it would have wiped us out. We would have been. So. It's not just. I think it's that peace. You walk together, you're in partnership, you listen to each other, and if you don't listen to each other, god will speak to you.
Speaker 2:Very directly.
Speaker 3:Very directly.
Speaker 1:He will get your attention on something you know what does. I don't know how old, you are 72. 72,. Okay, what does following the Lord look like at 72?
Speaker 3:You know, I'm glad you asked this. Oh, Chris, that was such a good question Because this brings up a beautiful illustration. I absolutely love Corrie Ten Boom. You know Corrie Ten Boom. She came to speak at our church several times.
Speaker 3:At Highland, yeah, yeah, at Highland, and one of the things loved loved is that she picked up this rag of a thing and she held it up. It had knots and strings hanging out of it I mean it was a mess. And she said this is your, your life, this is what you see. And then she turns it around and it's this beautiful tapestry of you know, mountains and lakes and flowers and all this. And she said but god sees this side and I love that because, being 72, I have more to look back on than y'all. And now I can see, wow, lord, you took devastation of my mother, of what that happened, and then you took me in and you know I got pregnant and then we went to Waco and then divorce, and then this and then this, and then you. So you can look back and you can see the hand of God all through your life of how he turned mistakes, how he turned things into his glory. And I love being this age because you look back and you think I get to see some of my tapestry.
Speaker 4:You know I get to see my of my tapestry.
Speaker 3:You know, I get to see my kids come to the Lord. I get to see what God is doing. It isn't just strings and knots, but it's this beautiful picture that he's doing. But I love being older and seeing what all God has done to bring me to now. Isn't that neat?
Speaker 1:That is a great answer. Yeah, yeah, it's a really cool perspective and I'm thankful for people like you at your age that will come and share and talk about your life and talk about the ups and talk about the downs, talk about the mistakes and you know things like that, because it gives people who are in the middle of the race, like myself, you know hope for finishing well and and hope that the stuff that you know you've done wrong, god can actually redeem it.
Speaker 1:God can not just learn from it, but can use it to kind of just bless you. So yeah, I appreciate you sharing.
Speaker 3:You know, I love it in a church because I love y'all's church. It's all children and little ones and young ones and I think, oh man, there is someone. They've got gray hair, they're way over there. You've got one or two people. But it's just so neat when the older people, when I see them raising their hand or just praising God, you know I love that and it's y'all who kind of release that sometimes.
Speaker 3:I remember when I went to church we had three services at Highland. We always went to the late one. We decided to go to the middle one because we were going to go do something and that was the college kids. And I mean they were all over the place. They were dancing and talking, praying for one another, and I said, man, I want this church, I don't want to go to the light one anymore. So we started going to that one. It's just more active. But y'all have a lot to show us. But I want to be the old one and I am. That's why I sit in the back of my church. I've asked my pastor's wife. I said now listen, I don't want to offend anybody, I'll be in the back. She said no, that's fine. But I said I won't bring a tambourine, she goes. Oh, thank goodness.
Speaker 1:The tambourine.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:As somebody who has been on the worship band for many years and I have not recently. But and warren can attest to this we're very thankful you don't bring the tambourine there's nothing like bang, bang, bang bang. I apologize to the tambourine people yeah, we love the tambourine people Just don't bring it to church, unless it's like a worship, eclectic worship.
Speaker 3:You know, do y'all worship at home? Let me ask y'all this Do y'all worship at home? How do y'all worship at home, a quiet time or whatever? You too, warren, let me pull you in here, buddy. How do y'all worship, warren? Let me pull you in here, buddy. How do?
Speaker 1:y'all worship. I'm going to put this mic over to Warren because she directly asked the question yeah, warren sits over there, so sweetly.
Speaker 4:I've never been on the mic before. This is nerve-wracking.
Speaker 2:I've never been on my own mic before.
Speaker 4:I've never had my own mic. Is this okay, Ryan? Can I have? Is this?
Speaker 2:okay with you, I'll allow it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we. I haven't made a discipline of it as a family routinely, but we do. I have gotten the guitar out and Isaac, my two-year-old. He likes to dance. I love that. We'll the guitar out and Isaac, my two-year-old he likes to dance.
Speaker 3:I love dance.
Speaker 4:We'll get it out and we'll dance. I found it's interesting because it wasn't six weeks, but it was six months for my wife and I, so it was still kind of fast, but like fully letting go. I can do that with Isaac, but I still I don't know there's some kind of I don't know what it is but reservation when she's there too. So but yeah, we've got, we've had a few moments so far.
Speaker 3:Do y'all do that every week?
Speaker 4:It's maybe like once every other week that it happens.
Speaker 3:I'm with Isaac Warren, I'm telling you to teach kids to praise and worship God. To me that puts them on a whole different level than just Bible stories. It makes that God real.
Speaker 2:Okay, Mom, that's sitting a little too close to home, okay.
Speaker 1:That's convicting, but I need to hear it.
Speaker 2:Okay, chris, that's fine, I need to hear it, but I don't want to hear it. Okay, chris, that's fine, I need to hear it, but I don't want to hear it. No, that is really good.
Speaker 3:You know, ron gave me a sword one Christmas and I have it on the wall by my front door. I did and I love it, because when I'm doing warfare I take that sword out. It's a hippie sword and you know, you put on the philorimer of God and then you just start praying, you know, and I take the sword. Of course, you know someone would think whoa Jane's in la-la land here. So I have to do this in private.
Speaker 2:Which is very good. It's a good practice when waving swords around for the Lord.
Speaker 3:But I mean, even at night time, I've gone out and we have a great porch and we have no lights around us because we're out in the boonies and you can see the stars, you can see the galaxy. You can see the galaxy, you can see all of this. It is absolutely stunning. And to speak the word of God with a sword in your hand and wave it in the air and have that freedom is like oh my gosh, this is good. And I also have a little flag. Someone gave me a flag. I saw them doing flags at church one time over in red river and I went man, I love your flags. That is so neat. She goes here, jane, you can have one. I said a flag. So I go around the house and I have my flag, just praising God, you know, you just release it, you just you know. And at night I hang off the balcony and praise God. Here again, this is not in front of people.
Speaker 2:That was really funny because I remember that Christmas I was going to visit you and I went into this weird, weird you know those weird like knife slash sword shops in a mall nope, one's about to lose it. I go in there and I'm like, well, I don't even know why I'm in there. I'm like I'm not gonna buy anything. It's so weird. And I saw this sword.
Speaker 2:It was literally it was like a replica of solomon's sword and it had like a jewish star on it or something and it was on its own own mount and I was like I should give this to my mom and I was like I know she'll love it. And then when I visited her, like I gave it to her and she was like that is so sweet, thank you so much she starts crying in front of me and my friends and I'm like oh, wow, wow, I guess she really did need this sword.
Speaker 1:That's confirmation that you're a pretty cool mom. If your son's like my mom would love this sword.
Speaker 3:You know he didn't give me one. Is it a shofar?
Speaker 2:No shofar.
Speaker 3:No shofar Did not give a shofar Been doing that in the neighborhood too, but now I'm afraid of brain aneurysms so I won't do it, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1:The elk are going to be like. What is that?
Speaker 3:Are the elk in mating season again?
Speaker 2:That's just.
Speaker 1:Jane with her shofar and her sword.
Speaker 2:Praising the Lord on the deck man. It's awesome, oh gosh, oh. Mom, thank you for being on this episode thank you for asking.
Speaker 3:I was a little, you know, thinking, oh lord, it's just gonna be a quick one.
Speaker 2:I think why were you hesitant about sharing your story?
Speaker 3:Well, you know, I just wasn't comfortable. But then the Lord said and this is what he told me, and it's not me, but he told me. He said, Jane, someone really needs to hear this, Wow. So I don't know. There's someone out there, I don't know what part. That's cool. He said would you do this for me? So I'm doing this for him and the Lord on this one, but it's been fun. Y'all make it fun.
Speaker 1:I try to.
Speaker 3:But wait, Chris. What was it that you said? You felt convicted, or what? What was that about?
Speaker 1:The worship thing. Yeah, I haven't made that enough of a family thing.
Speaker 4:Oh, okay, for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I've played guitar, I've written songs, been on a worship team, but just probably the busyness of life and all the other things just kind of let it fade to the background. But I feel like the Holy Spirit's been nudging me too. So you aligned with a nudging that I've already been getting.
Speaker 3:That's good. You know, your little ones, oh y'all. Just when I'm out running, he's playing Christian music in the house. You know, I mean just that it has that atmosphere that we were foster parents for five years and I remember the caseworkers would come into my house and they would say this is the most peaceful house we've ever been in, and really I christian lullabies or soft music all the time and in the house with the kids. So it was just. You know music means. So I love music. Keith green, I don't know if y'all know who keith green is.
Speaker 3:Oh he. His songs ministered to me when I was a brand-new Christian. So much and my other boys. Ryan knows almost all of Keith Green's music because I play that so much of him just singing and the Lord. So music is really important to me and how the Lord ministers and both of y'all have such a worship calling on your life.
Speaker 2:I remember being in the building and Warren, you were worshiping the Lord on piano by yourself and you didn't think anyone was in there. Well, no one was in there, but I was. I saw you little humble brag on you, but I I remember thinking there is a special, there's a special heart that you have with the Lord in regards to worship specifically, and I think you know, there's an anointing, I think. Yeah, an anointing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, an anointing for praise and worship, and how you praise and worship may be different than yours or mine.
Speaker 2:Chris, you definitely have an anointing for worship too. You need to tap in two more.
Speaker 1:I did All right.
Speaker 2:All right, well, I've had about enough of that.
Speaker 3:Okay, look up. Romans 12.12.
Speaker 2:Look up Romans 12.12.
Speaker 3:I was reading that today and I thought, oh man, see, I believe the word says if you will send my word out, I will hasten to perform it, and I love to send the word out.
Speaker 2:Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer.
Speaker 3:Prayer, be constant in prayer. Prayer, be constant in prayer. I don't know where I would be if someone had not prayed for me. I'm not Prayed for my kids. Prayer is so important and I would say that in forgiveness would be the highlight of this whole talk.
Speaker 2:That's good, alright. I love you Mom.
Speaker 3:Hey Rhino, I like you too, buddy.
Speaker 4:Let's get out of here.
Speaker 2:Alright, thanks, jay.
Speaker 3:Thank y' you for asking. Bye, thank you.
